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iwmwlive: The first speaker is Richard Brierton, University of Sheffield, discussing "Replacement CMS" #iwmw10 #p8 [08:17GMT]

iwmwlive: Richard's slides are available at http://ow.ly/2bbYI #iwmw10 #p8 [08:18GMT]

dmchapman: @iwmwlive Miles had one too many orange juices last night? Surely not.... #iwmw10 [08:19GMT]

iwmwlive: Sheffield has been on the Polopoly CMS since 2003, and has around 365,000 updates to their site each year #iwmw10 #p8 [08:19GMT]

spellerlive: #iwmw10 #p8 I'm getting old - people are already *replacing* CMSs. [08:19GMT]

rmanleyreeve: #iwmw10 #p8 Another institution with 500+ CMS users - we have 150 out of 3000 staff - are we atypical? [08:19GMT]

dmchapman: RT @williamslive: #iwmw10 This morning Miles is being sponsored by Ibuprofen. So let's have a rousing cheer for him when he starts the s ... [08:20GMT]

iwmwlive: Moving from version 8 to version 9 has been effectively moving to a whole new product #iwmw10 #p8 [08:20GMT]

suukii: RT @cgutteridge: Two blog posts about #iwmw10: University Linked Data http://bit.ly/cuB01E and Data Visualisation http://bit.ly/a4jYoG [08:20GMT]

iwmwlive: "CMS is a catastrophe:the interface is clunky, slow and unattractive" #iwmw10 #p8 [08:20GMT]

rmanleyreeve: #iwmw10 #p8 We got those comments as well! [08:21GMT]

spellerlive: #iwmw10 #p8 But casual users are always less fine with everything - a good UI is the one you're familiar with? [08:21GMT]

nlafferty: Listening in again to #iwmw10 first talk about CMSs live stream is available here http://bit.ly/dvDcr2 [08:21GMT]

iwmwlive: Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid #iwmw10 #p8 [08:22GMT]

PlanetClaire: "Just because you've always done ti that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid." #iwmw10 #p8 [08:22GMT]

iwmwlive: If you change something, it is not the CMS's fault, it is your fault #iwmw10 #p8 [08:23GMT]

mancypino: Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid. #iwmw10 [08:23GMT]

iwmwlive: CMS is the promised land we need to get people to, so we need to get them on board #iwmw10 #p8 [08:24GMT]

spellerlive: #iwmw10 #p8 A CMS has never been the promised land... [08:24GMT]

mariekeguy: #iwmw10 #p8 @youlooklovely saying that the problems you have with your cms were your decision [08:25GMT]

dmchapman: nasty interference/noise/distortion on righthand channel on #IWMW10 live stream :-/ Audio rather quiet as well :-( [08:25GMT]

ostephens: "to .. walk hundreds of miles a man must believe that something good awaits him at the end" (Tolstoy) - or be bloody minded #iwmw10 #p8 [08:25GMT]

iwmwlive: Keeping people informed about the process helps people feel involved - blogging, offering to do demonstrations etc #iwmw10 #p8 [08:25GMT]

danwiggle: RT @PlanetClaire: "Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid." #iwmw10 #p8 [08:26GMT]

webpackets: @spellerlive Not 'the promised land' for anyone who works with them but often for the senior management who expect you to deliver it #iwmw10 [08:26GMT]

iwmwlive: If CMS is the answer, what is the question? #iwmw10 #p8 [08:27GMT]

iwmwlive: CMS lowers the bar to use, so there are more users, with lower levels of technical skill who need supporting #iwmw10 #p8 [08:29GMT]

spellerlive: #iwmw10 #p8 The easier a system is to use more use it and more support is needed for users - good point! [08:29GMT]

mancypino: Creative people are disobedient? Bad. #iwmw10 #p8 [08:30GMT]

iwmwlive: No one comes in and thinks "I want to make a really bad web page this morning"... they are doing their best #iwmw10 #p8 [08:30GMT]

MikeNolanLive: "No body comes into work in the morning thinking 'I'm going to create a bad webpage today'" #iwmw10 #p8 [08:30GMT]

webpackets: #iwmw10 #p8 ' You lower the bar using a CMS' Maybe, but you don't have to as you control their access to it [08:30GMT]

mearso: Perhaps raising the barrier to entry for content provision is a better way to proceed. Stop pretending web content is easy. #iwmw10 #p8 [08:30GMT]

spellerlive: #iwmw10 #p8 "I'm going to make a really bad webpage today" :-) [08:30GMT]

kammer: RT @MikeNolanLive "No body comes into work in the morning thinking 'I'm going to create a bad webpage today'" #iwmw10 #p8 [08:31GMT]

iwmwlive: 7 commandments of CMS: "Keep the 90% in mind all the time" - keep the majority of users in mind, not the techies #iwmw10 #p8 [08:31GMT]

rmanleyreeve: RT @mearso: Stop pretending web content is easy. #iwmw10 #p8 [08:32GMT]

mhawksey: #iwmw10 #remote is it me or is there some distortion on the right audio channel [08:32GMT]

iwmwlive: 7 commandments of CMS: "One voice - we are not a coalition" #iwmw10 #p8 [08:32GMT]

bencc: RT @dmchapman: nasty interference/noise/distortion on righthand channel on #IWMW10 live stream :-/ Audio rather quiet as well :-( [08:32GMT]

iwmwlive: 7 commandments of CMS: "Training is cheap" - it is the most cost effective way to improve your website #iwmw10 #p8 [08:32GMT]

MrJ1971: @mhawksey not just you ... he might be talking in a tunnel #iwmw10 [08:33GMT]

cloggingchris: Managing to watch @youlooklovely talking at #iwmw10 before I set off [08:33GMT]

ostephens: 7 commandments of CMS from @youlooklovely ("more what you'd call "guidelines"") #iwmw10 #p8 [08:33GMT]

williamslive: #iwmw10 #p8 if you put 10 sheep in a room and train them for several hours, they are still sheep. [08:33GMT]

iwmwlive: 7 commandments of CMS: "Content is expensive" - don't be tempted to get people to re-do their content when moving CMS #iwmw10 #p8 [08:33GMT]

rmanleyreeve: #iwmw10 #p8 content is expensive - but surely you just paste it in from Word?? [08:34GMT]

cloggingchris: @pipaluk @danielcourtney some quite nasty distortion on audiofeed from #iwmw10 [08:34GMT]

iwmwlive: 7 commandments of CMS: "Editors will often best-guess when unsure" - if the CMS is unclear in any way, people will have a stab #iwmw10 #p8 [08:34GMT]

m1ke_ellis: Managing not to say "use Wordpress". Damn, I said it. #iwmw10 [08:34GMT]

spellerlive: #iwmw10 #p8 7 Commandments: keep 90% happy, one voice, training is cheap, content is expensive, users will guess in doubt... [08:34GMT]

mecb: #iwmw10 We'll have a look at the audio in a few mins after Richard has finished - sorry for the problems [08:34GMT]

rmanleyreeve: RT @williamslive: #iwmw10 #p8 if you put 10 sheep in a room and train them for several hours, they are still sheep. [08:34GMT]

kammer: As @webpackets says we don't *have* to lower the bar. Access to the web site isn't a birthright. We need specialised non specialists #iwmw10 [08:34GMT]

mearso: RT @williamslive: #iwmw10 #p8 if you put 10 sheep in a room and train them for several hours, they are still sheep. [08:35GMT]

Webdunk: "Avoid unnecessary flexibility." Tremendous tip. #iwmw10 [08:35GMT]

iwmwlive: 7 commandments of CMS: "Avoid unnecessary flexibility" #iwmw10 #p8 [08:35GMT]

mancypino: 7 Commandments of CMS - avoid unnecessary flexibility. Too much choice is not necessarily a good thing. #iwmw10 #p8 [08:36GMT]

iwmwlive: 7 commandments of CMS: "Most editors don't care" - the content providers are not passionate about the web, its not their job #iwmw10 #p8 [08:36GMT]

pete_gilbert: Avoid unnecessary flexibility - good advice for all IT systems.#IWMW10 [08:36GMT]

m1ke_ellis: @kammer yes, but the skill of writing good content <> skill of web coding. This is the main issue, surely #iwmw10 [08:36GMT]

spellerlive: #iwmw10 #p8 ...last two commandments: avoid unnecessary flexibility, most editors don't care. [08:36GMT]

webpackets: #iwmw10 #p8 It's a good thing to remind web editors that you are trusting them with the reputation of the University - that wakes them up ;) [08:37GMT]

rjw: RT @ostephens: New blog post - the 'Linked Data' session by @cgutteridge #iwmw10 #b8 http://bit.ly/9ixBON [08:37GMT]

mhawksey: #iwmw10 #remote [maybe it was the left channel ;-)] [08:37GMT]

webpackets: @m1ke_ellis @kammer I agree - simplify the cms until content is the biggest thing web editors have to worry about #iwmw10 #p8 [08:38GMT]

mhawksey: #iwmw10 #remote audio much better [08:38GMT]

fooflington: Audio better, although only out of the left channel... #iwmw10 [08:38GMT]

mearso: RT @m1ke_ellis: @kammer yes, but the skill of writing good content <> skill of web coding. This is the main issue, surely #iwmw10 [08:38GMT]

m1ke_ellis: I think I'd prefer avoid unnecessary _functionality_ rather than flexibility. Flexibility is good. Functionality is confusing. #iwmw10 [08:38GMT]

PlanetClaire: Part of training should b about why the CMS users should care, surely? We need to try and impassion people about their websites. #iwmw10 #p8 [08:38GMT]

spellerlive: #iwmw10 #p8 Migration is a headache and CMS vendors aren't interested. [08:39GMT]

kammer: @m1ke_ellis - Our specialised non-specialists (at their best) learn to write half decent web copy & learn to live with unintuitive. #iwmw10 [08:39GMT]

m1ke_ellis: @webpackets Yes. Which is why (IMO) the entire process shouldn't be driven by geeks, but by content people. #iwmw10 [08:39GMT]

PlanetClaire: And help them see the value that it can give to their business/activity and the reputation of the Uni as a whole. #iwmw10 #p8 [08:39GMT]

iwmwlive: Sheffield are rolling out one department at a time with the new CMS, which seemed the most painless route #iwmw10 #p8 [08:39GMT]

rmanleyreeve: #iwmw10 #p8 "Most editors don't care" they usually care too much about their own area to the detriment of the whole [08:39GMT]

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